The two titans of conservatism weigh in...
After explaining exactly what's going on with our post-Constitutional government, Levin moves on to the fiscal cliff theater, addressing Republicans: Pass what needs to be passed in the House, then let the Democrats in the Senate and Obama raise taxes on everyone if they don't want to compromise...
"[Obama] wants taxes raised now, and then we'll talk about cutting spending later. This is why Republicans are nuts! The Republicans should pass what needs to be passed. No tax increases. No elimination of deductions. And stop calling them 'loopholes', they're deductions. Go ahead and propose massive cuts; ten, twenty percent across the board. Make the votes, throw it to the Senate, and go home! ... The only thing worse, I have concluded, than this fiscal cliff, is no fiscal cliff... If we don't make cuts now, and we don't deal with this now, what's left as we keep moving, moving, moving closer and closer to a more centralized government where fewer and fewer Americans, we call them 'politicians', have enormous power over us?"
"We're going off a spending cliff. We're going off a welfare state cliff. We're going off a Big Government cliff. Can't we even explain it that way? This 'fiscal cliff' that they talk about is nothing but a toe stub. That's all it is, as bad as you think it is...the fact is, if we raise taxes, if we don't make cuts, we're in a more disastrous and perilous situation than we were before. ... We need to go off this so-called 'fiscal cliff' in order to cut spending and in order to prevent Obama from playing class warfare. We have to do it, because we're not dealing with a reasonable or rational president. We're dealing with a Marxist, we're dealing with an ideologue. And he's fully prepared to win the game of chicken. We have to be fully prepared to win the game of chicken, not for the Republican Party, for the future of the Nation."
After discussing Obama's media-perceived legacy, as opposed to the real one he's setting up for himself and the country, and that he actually wants the cliff, Limbaugh shares a similar sentiment: 'Call Obama's bluff, let him drive us off the fiscal cliff.'
"Let's say that he really doesn't want to go over the cliff. Let's say that he really doesn't want a recession in his second [term]... Then the way to handle that, the way to call his bluff on this, is to not negotiate with him, and leave it totally up to him what happens. Very publicly, walk away from the talks, so whatever happens, vis-à-vis 'the cliff', is perceived to happen, well, the real point is to flush Obama out. Find out. I would suggest to people who really believe Obama is concerned about his second term and his legacy, he doesn't want a recession, the only way to flush that out is to come dangerously close to allowing it all to happen. And the way you do that is to pull out of negotiations and offer no resistance...if the Republicans offer no resistance to what Obama wants, we'll find out just how willing he is to take the country over the cliff. All I'm saying is that all these people saying 'he doesn't want to take us over the cliff', 'he's worried about his second term legacy', 'he doesn't want 2 million unemployed', 'he doesn't want that written about him', let's find out. And you can't find out by negotiating with him. Do that, and you get played for a fool."
Back away now, let Obama and the Democrats have it and let them do what they're gonna do. "Back out of this and make sure you don't have any fingerprints on this at all."
But "if you would rather see the Republicans stay at the negotiating table," Rush offers some alternative ideas. Among them: Tie all federal pensions to any income tax increase; specifically, eliminate federal pensions. Come up with an idea where federal employees, including the political class and the President, pay more taxes too! They need to have more skin in the game. You know, fair share and all...
"Get in on the class war, Republicans. The governing class isn't paying their fair share is what's happening here. The governing class is getting away with blaming the working class."